Despite being one of the first companies to enter the music streaming market, Pandora isn’t doing all that well. Pandora CEO Brian McAndrews even dismissed Apple Music in a recent interview, claiming that it wasn’t a threat, but considering how Apple Music already has 6.5 million paying subscribers while Pandora had a loss of $85.9 million last quarter, that might have just been tough talk. McAndrews also questioned the long-term viability of Spotify’s streaming model, which allows users to choose whatever song they want to listen to, something that Pandora doesn’t do.